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Post by Alexis Prodigy on Jul 6, 2012 6:50:36 GMT -6
Okay, I feel terrible about this but here is the thing. It isn't JUST about late results. It is about a lack of communication and how this lapse in communication is probably costing us members.
So here is what is happening: A RE-BRANDING, a new site, and new boards and a new owner (not me)
Read Below for more details:
It begins with why me and Niko are doing this:
Communication
This seems to be the most prevalent factor in staff. You guys are clearly not communicating with eachother, with us, or with the webmaster. Niko has been waiting for awhile for information that no one has given to him. Apparently the co-GM vanished with ALL of the segments and matches ...and it felt like n on one was doing anything about it except not telling us what was really going instead just telling us "results will be up tomorrow" when no one was really working on results. So basically, when an emergency happened, things went to hell and since no one shared an inbox for segments and matches, there was nothing. The GM hasn't spoken up because he should have been the one to pick up the slack due to TGO having a family emergency. Instead you all left us in the dark and didn't communicate.
And lets face it guys, we are going to lose members here no matter what now. And things need to change here and now with the structure to gain members after this. Not only that, a more polished website and better boards are pretty much mandatory to make sure we don't fall apart.
So, basically, me and Niko have been talking ...and I am just going to go ahead and step on toes here.
Staff go ahead and finish up results ...after that things are going to change.
FIRSTLY, you guys haven't given Niko any information for the domains and what not. He, HOWEVER, owns a domain that can be ready to go by the afternoon. So, a re-branding to XFW will happen to save us money and give us a site so we can begin recruiting immediately to make up for what we have lost. Niko owns the domain and the boards that are attached, having him be the owner makes things easier as he has FULL control of the site.
SECONDLY, I am dropping the Prodigy character from this fed and joining staff to make sure communication, hierarchy, and match assignments are established between staff. Now with this said, I understand if James and TGO are not happy about me declaring these things ...but it isn't shoehorning them out of their roles. It is organizing them and their ideas so we can have better communication and on time results. So we can work as a team to put out GREAT results with a quality roster. If you are on staff and unhappy about this, then you are not doing this for the right reasons. It isn't about having complete power, it is about trying to make a fun and friendly place with ontime and quality results.
So lets get to Hierarchy. As said, Niko owns the site, he seems committed to getting things organized. Basically, a site can make or break us. He'll be the top guy for that reason. Writers, bookers, RP judges, and creative is me and the current staff with of course Niko throwing his hat in the areas that he has interest in. When I find out if mystery co-owner, TGO, and Jeffrey James are still on board ...then we'll set up who does what EXACTLY. Everyone of us will write a match and match assignments will be given the day the card goes up. Matches will be due a day before results.
Below that, a back-up staff is needed for emergency matches, someone to access a staff section or an inbox to take care of those kinds of things. We'll take volunteers for these roles.
Shows will be bi-weekly but with stacked cards and stacked segments. If we can eventually get a bigger staff, we might go back to one show a week. But at this point, one show, two RPs a show is just easier to work things out.
Niko has told me that a site and boards will be ready by noon. A link will go up on this thread to the site and to the boards. We hope you all join us in this re-branding. And we hope that current SCW staff joins us as well.
I apologize to all that see this as a take over or taking stepping on toes to an EXTREME. We are just trying to restructure things so we ALL have a fun place to RP where 'sults will be up on time and everyone communicates with everyone else about what is going on.
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Post by Nikko Magna on Jul 6, 2012 6:56:53 GMT -6
My name is Nikko Magna and I aprrove this message * thumbs up and a huge cheesy grin*
On a more serious note I will have the link posted shortly. setting up forums and stuff now. Will finish 99.99% of the site by noon with just small things still needing to be done.
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Post by Nikko Magna on Jul 6, 2012 11:34:39 GMT -6
Once Again due to the lack of openness and communication from the current staff, here is a alternative. I'm opening this place to prevent losing what the SCW Talent has become, a family. If your in, your in... If not, sorry to hear it. Best of Luck.
*edit* I removed the urls so if you want the info PM me.
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Post by shayde on Jul 6, 2012 12:10:59 GMT -6
While I admire the dedication, I feel this is pretty shitty. I don't see what the problem with communication is. I have been in contact with TGO on a daily basis. He has explained everything to me and I am ok with waiting for everything to get back to normal.
I have no problem with people starting up a new fed, the more the merrier. What I have a problem with is the blatant attempt to steal members from another fed. Advertising for other feds on another fed's ooc forum has always been frowned upon. It's pretty shitty. If you want to keep the "family" together, you could have done so with PMs and IMs or e-mails.
I know you thought you were doing something good here, something to keep the family together, to save SCW...but SCW doesn't need to be saved. Someone almost died, I'm pretty sure that is a good reason to take a break for a week. All you have done is attempt to kill SCW. You will cripple SCW and break the family in half. Divorce is ugly and it's the kids who suffer the most.
I wish you luck in your new fed...
To those who stay: I am looking forward to working with you soon. I believe together we can really make SCW shine. Justin has listed a few ideas that I think will be great. So, please, stick around and let us continue SCW. I really hate to see Niko and Alexis go, but they believe they need to...I wish they would hold off and instead of "taking" over at least discuss this with TGO. Together we can make SCW the best e-fed around...united we stand, divided we fall...
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Post by Nikko Magna on Jul 6, 2012 12:21:37 GMT -6
The problem isn't just TGO... Where are the rest of the staff members? The GM AND the other Co-Owner? Both AWOL.
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Post by shayde on Jul 6, 2012 12:32:20 GMT -6
The problem isn't just TGO... Where are the rest of the staff members? The GM AND the other Co-Owner? Both AWOL. Ok, but did you talk to Trevor about any of this? As I suggested above? People learn from their mistakes. I'm pretty sure they didn't plan on this, but now they know. As for those two staff members being awol, I can't comment. The GM was just here the other day, so I believe he is still around. As for Mystery co-owner...no idea. I was waiting to hear from him as well. His work life seems to have taken over, and that's fine. I understand that. Perhaps this means he should resign and be replaced by you two. As I stated, talk to Trevor. He's very easy to get in touch with.
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Post by The Great One on Jul 6, 2012 12:38:50 GMT -6
Not AWOL. I've made contact with them. Just because I'm the one who's posting doesn't mean they are AWOL. I want to thank you both for being with the SCW and wish you luck with your endeavors. I do feel that this isn't the way to go about things. If you two decide to stay with the SCW, great. If not then I don't know what to tell you. The show is LESS than a week late and we HAVE attempted to let everyone know what is going on. I do not feel like I need to explain the whole situation to everyone. I HAVE made everyone attempt while I can to discuss what has been going on with the staff's lives right now and if someone came to me who is on the roster with any type of situation and stated they needed some time off I'm completely ok with it, as a matter of fact that has already happened numerous times, even with you Justin. I hope everyone sticks around, it can only get better from here.
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Post by Curt Canon on Jul 6, 2012 12:42:18 GMT -6
I have to say I dont think this is the best route possible. I know it has been a hectic week with family issues and job issues and sometimes real life just gets in the way. Yes there has been a lack of commuincation from the staff and yes it has frustrated all of us...but at least TGO has given us updates. He said in yesterdays that he talked to the GM and that everything will be back to normal by Sunday so Im gonna go with that. Maybe im just loyal from OCW days but he has never steared me wrong before. Instead of dropping characters and trying to start your own fed and take people away we should all work together to make sure this never happens again. We can set up a back up staff if need be or whatever people suggest, all I know is that Im staying. Until someone tells me the SCW is closing down or there is going to be some kind of changing of the guard im staying to try to make this fed successful.
I havent heard any of the other handlers say that they quit yet...so hopefully the good majority of you stick around.
And on a side note it sucks that your dropping your Prodigy character because your pretty damn good and could have become the 1st SCW Champion but you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes....good luck with the new fed.
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Post by justinreilly on Jul 6, 2012 13:09:38 GMT -6
I know the frustration felt by both Nikko and Alexis, and things do need to change. I've already stated things that I think could help prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future. I understand that life happens outside of here, but Trevor, you need to understand in order to keep people together they need more detailed information on what's going on than what's been posted in the past. I know it's not the intention, but this entire federation is being drug around mostly with a blindfold on. Why is it that I see our GM come onto the boards, but hasn't communicated a single thing to the roster?
The hardest part about being in charge is knowing when you can handle it, and when it's time to step down. It sounds like the co-owner will not be able to participate at a level required of someone in that position. In that case you need to take over solely. If the GM wishes to participate, and communicate much more than he has then that would be great. If not then a new GM needs to be found. Ideally one of you would grade role-plays, the other would assemble cards, and a staff would write the matches.
Another good idea is to create an outline of how you want the card to go, have people sign up to write matches, have people reserve segment spots, and add some other things (advertisement banners) to the card. Maybe we could advertise the show, the upcoming ppv, or whatever.
There are plenty of things that can keep things going, and flow even better than before. Also like I said if the staff needs to be thinned down some then so be it. The co-owner may be a great person, but if he cannot devote the amount of time this requires then he needs to step down.
Let's keep this thing alive, and thrive.
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Post by justinreilly on Jul 6, 2012 13:42:44 GMT -6
Let me add that I don't think going to a bi-weekly format is the answer. We'd be solving one problem by creating a new one. Having bigger cards every other week would still mean more work for the few people involved, it would still present a crunch deadline, and probably further delays. I would rather see smaller cards (3-4 matches as opposed to 5-6.) Once we get a big enough writing staff then add more matches. Between m3-4 matches, and segments we should be able to put out great cards on time.
Also federations are as strong as their talent pool. So for one of SCW's best role-players to drop their character, it would be a big mistake. The SCW needs all of its top performers role-playing. That means you, Alexis Prodigy. The staff issues will get worked out, but this federation will not be as strong if people like you stop role-playing.
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Post by Scott Syren on Jul 6, 2012 16:25:55 GMT -6
okay, i'm as irritated as anyone else, but i'm going to stick around here for the immediate future and hope for the best...
speaking of communication issues, it's not even clear whether you yourselves believe that you're "taking over" and re-branding SCW, or whether you're opening a different, separate fed and marketing it as a direct alternative.
i came to this fed because i was personally invited by a friend, so i don't want to get involved in a project that is MAYBE an univited takeover of SCW, MAYBE a completely different fed, or MAYBE just whatever you think everybody wants to hear at any given time. so thanks but no thanks...
the crazy thing is, i probably would have been open to switching feds at this point, or even joining a second fed, but this feels like a pretty shady way to go about... whatever it is you're doing.
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Post by Dangerous Dan on Jul 6, 2012 17:13:04 GMT -6
Since every one is posting, I will put my two cents in. First, Alexis...every since this fed has opened, YOU have acted like YOU are in charge. Let's get one thing straight...you are NOT in charge nor the owner of this fed. I hate it when people come in on someone else's dime and try to take over. Trevor has explained that the week has been rough...and i quote...'things will be back to normal on Sunday.' If you cannot wait until then, tuck you tail between your legs and leave. Open your own fed and more power to ya. I'm not pissed off at ya, but I don't agree nor like the way you have handled things. Secondly, I have worked with both the co-owner, Trevor, and the GM for years now. I am going to stick around and wait for whatever is happening to calm down. Like people say...this is a fed and LIVES come first. I work almost 40 hours a week and I still manage to come on here once in a while. I love doing this, but it's not something I HAVE to do. I enjoy the people here and get along with the staff. I'm staying, so if you can find people to join have at it. Third, I know more than anyone that life comes before this game. That's exactly what it is...a GAME. No need to take it personally if results aren't up on time. I guess I'm used to results not being up on time seeing as the year I was in CWF..most of the cards were days-to a week late. It's not to get bitchy over. If you don't like the way things are being handled...then again...get the 'F' out. Those that know me, know I don't like a push-over. I say it like it is. I don't care to speak my mind regardless of who you are. Lastly, I do agree with one thing that was said. Trevor, GM, and co-owner. I do think it might be easier to handle things by doing a breakdown for the card. Like it was said...and we did this in CWF...have a sign up sheet for matches and segments. One of the staff HAS to do the main event, but leave the card open to everyone else. If someone wants to take the opener...let them write the opener. Mid card matches, etc. Sign up for segments so you know how many segments there are. This way there is a 'backup' and if staff can't get the results in or has no free time. DESIGNATE someone to put the card up. Hell, I'll step in and put the card up if need be. It may not be pretty but I'll do it. Just have some 'understudies'. Again, I enjoy this fed and believe there is some real competition here. I'm sticking around and seeing where it goes. No matter how many people we lose...ten more will eventually come in. It's up to the staff to decide who runs the place, when the card goes up, and who gets to do what. If you don't agree with it then don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Again, just my two cents. I can wait for the card to be posted, and look forward to becoming the first SCW World Heavyweight Champion ;D
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Post by Andre Dixon on Jul 6, 2012 23:42:21 GMT -6
While I admire the dedication, I feel this is pretty shitty. I don't see what the problem with communication is. I have been in contact with TGO on a daily basis. He has explained everything to me and I am ok with waiting for everything to get back to normal. Meanwhile I agree with a lot of what you're saying and do think that maybe they jumped the gun a little bit as far as starting a new fed or whatever. But as far as this statement above the key words are I and ME. YOU were in touch with him and he told YOU what was going on. The only problem I had with the last couple of days was the lack of communication. I saw TGO on a few times but he didn't really tell us what was happening or what we could do to help or what needed to be done. He did recently come out and say that things would be back to normal Sunday but that doesn't excuse for the lack of communication on EVERYONE'S part. Sorry but if I am RUNNING a fed and have something come up and can't get results up or even do ANYTHING AT ALL(which nothing has happened in the last 5 days) then I will at least get a message up saying I would. Where is the message from the supposed Co owner of this fed? The GM? THAT is what Alexis and Nikko had problems with. I have NEVER been in a fed where something like this has happened. They basically drop off the face of the earth and don't tell us, the people who work hard on roleplays, segments, and just everything to make a fed work, anything. TGO said a few things but from what I remember nothing substantial until what yesterday? Before that it was results will be up tomorrow sometime. That was it. I just had to get that out. I am in no way quitting this fed YET. The key word being yet because I am yet to see if they will even come back. I will wait till Sunday or Monday even to see if they can comeback, get a show up, and explain(aka communicate) with us what happened and honestly apologize. And then tell us what is next. I hope I don't come off in the wrong way here. It's just my opinion. I feel like I have been VERY patient over the last few days and so this is my 2 cents on the matter. If you don't want me to be part of the fed because of these comments then that's fine with me just let me know. As far as people jumping on Alexis just think about what she just did. She was willing to quit rping with one of the BEST characters in the fed in order to build a good fed because it looked like the SCW was dying. Imagine if somebody were to have come to check out the site and check out the boards over the last 5 days? Why would they want to join? I don't think anyone should be jumping on Alexis or Nikko for that matter for trying to HELP everyone. Sure they might have jumped the gun a little bit but can anyone say that it didn't look like this place was possibly about to end? I think everyone should give her a break.
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Post by justinreilly on Jul 6, 2012 23:56:20 GMT -6
I agree with some of what Dan posted. I know just as well as anyone that this is purely a game. Having said that, though, when you have people signing up to take time out of their day to do something, it creates a responsibility. Maybe it's only because I was previously in a fed where their version of a late card was hours late, and not days late. Do things in our real life happen to cause stuff like this? Yes, but I don't think anyone should ever accept it as a norm. I don't think the staff accepts it as a norm, and neither do most rosters. Dan, you may have the patience to wait however long it takes for a card, but I know myself personally I would like to see them in a timely manner. Also think of it like this. There's a deadline for role-plays, and segments. Why shouldn't we expect a deadline for cards?
I'm obviously sticking around, but let's not accept status quo because some fed did that often. This is a game, but it's not solitaire. If someone wants people to believe in them, to join them, or to follow them then it's up to them to take this as more of a responsibility than just a simple PC game. If not for the federation, or to the game then for the other people invested in it with their time, and effort.
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Post by Andre Dixon on Jul 7, 2012 0:00:50 GMT -6
I agree with some of what Dan posted. I know just as well as anyone that this is purely a game. Having said that, though, when you have people signing up to take time out of their day to do something, it creates a responsibility. Maybe it's only because I was previously in a fed where their version of a late card was hours late, and not days late. Do things in our real life happen to cause stuff like this? Yes, but I don't think anyone should ever accept it as a norm. I don't think the staff accepts it as a norm, and neither do most rosters. Dan, you may have the patience to wait however long it takes for a card, but I know myself personally I would like to see them in a timely manner. Also think of it like this. There's a deadline for role-plays, and segments. Why shouldn't we expect a deadline for cards? I'm obviously sticking around, but let's not accept status quo because some fed did that often. This is a game, but it's not solitaire. If someone wants people to believe in them, to join them, or to follow them then it's up to them to take this as more of a responsibility than just a simple PC game. If not for the federation, or to the game then for the other people invested in it with their time, and effort. +1. Don't think you can say it any better than this. Basically exactly how I feel.
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