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Post by "Gentleman" Jim Douglas on Jul 7, 2012 2:38:30 GMT -6
So many things to say, so little time and motivation to write an essay on what's been going on.
All I'll say is: Sorry I haven't been around much lately, and I'm going nowhere.
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Post by Night Crawler on Jul 7, 2012 14:27:10 GMT -6
Nikko, TGO and us stuck by you when you needed time off. Nice to know you're so quick to abandon him.
If I can, I'll avoid working with either of you in the future.
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Post by Nikko Magna on Jul 7, 2012 14:30:17 GMT -6
Say what you want to say, but as I posted in the other thread, its been sorted.
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Post by Night Crawler on Jul 7, 2012 16:08:54 GMT -6
I should probably let it rest but this is what people are going to most recently see when they visit here, so they should know exactly what is wrong with what these two did. So for clarification.
1. Castrating the Staff for having lives. People get upset about late results. It happens. Instead of PMing, IMing, or Emailing the staff, these two decided to chew out the staff of this website on this public forum for having their own lives. This has happened before and I don't really hold it against people because they rarely mean it. It's simply a knee-jerk reaction to seeing a fed that you have come to appreciate stutter and for the people running the place to let you down. The staff has no obligations to us, just as we technically have no obligations to them. Nobody here is under any kind of real contract, no money is being exchanged (we don't pay them, they don't pay us). We all do this for entertainment, and well all know entertainment takes a back seat to life. And nobody, staff or otherwise, should have to make daily notifications on a public forum about their personal life to excuse inactivity.
2. Trying to steal/poach the entire roster. Again, I couldn't blame them for leaving, or for starting their own fed. And since they do feel they made some conncetions here, I certainly can't blame them for wanting to keep those connections, but posting a recruitment topic on the forums is the wrong way to do it. You can PM people, IM them, or E-mail them. Some people may still consider it 'poaching' but there's really nothing wrong with asking a friend to join you on a web site. But you do it privately, and not in direct defiance of the people you once claimed to respect.
I don't blame people for being upset and I don't blame them for leaving, but what Lex and Nikko did was extremely wrong. I can't act in any official capacity and I can't speak for anyone else here, but I do sincerely hope that neither of them have anything to do with SCW again. And no, I'm not going to check that 'other site' to see what they have to say for themselves. I couldn't care less. In my opinion, a fake attempted mutiny deserves a fake lynching.
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Post by justinreilly on Jul 7, 2012 20:15:02 GMT -6
Night Crawler... you have a point with some of the stuff you posted, but there is one thing I disagree with you quite a bit. I'll re-post the exact quote to make sure I'm coming at this right.
"The staff has no obligations to us, just as we technically have no obligations to them."
This is why a majority of federations fail. I have been in ones that last a few months, and ones that stay open for years. One of the main differences is the owner's sense of responsibility. Is this a game? Yes, but it's not solitaire as I mentioned before. When you decide to start anything that requires others to sign up for it (Not necessarily involving money in any way), you take upon yourself an obligation to the others that join. It's not much different than someone starting a local sports league for baseball, football, or anything else. It's all for fun, but there's a level of responsibility that comes with it. Too many people that start federations do not understand this, and wonder why things fail.
I don't need any exact details, but every roster should be kept up-to-speed with what's going on with the people running any federation. People do not spend time coming up with quality work to not know when the results of their hard work will come into fruition.
I have spoken with Trevor, and looking forward to getting things rolling again. Another thing I'll disagree with you on is potential recruits, and what they'll see when they come here. I'm sure it'll get fixed soon, but the first thing I notice every time is that the home page of the web site has not been updated in nearly 2 weeks. I know that would cause me to leave almost immediately as it looks like an upstart that died rather quickly.
With some work this federation can become a well oiled machine. Some of you might be used to poorly run federation, and are happy with that. What you won't believe is how good things become when things work smoothly, cards are never more than a day late, and the roster/staff gel together very well. The last federation I was in has been going strong for around 3 years I believe, and it's for a reason. They have a system, and with some work so can the SCW.
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Post by GM Jeffrey James on Jul 7, 2012 20:29:02 GMT -6
You want to hear from the "GM"?
Here's your statement... don't you ever.... EVER judge me. There are very few people in this fed who know what I've gone through in the last couple of years and anyone who rushes to tell me what I SHOULD do can kiss my ass. I'm a very busy guy.... single father... career... a chronically ill daughter... and you want me to drop everything for you? This is a HOBBY not a JOB.
Glen... you are the LAST person I want a responsibility speech from. With as many times as you've let me down in other places and I've ALWAYS come to you with kindness and 2nd chances... and the fact that you DO know what I've been through. FUCK YOU.
I wrote my matches... I graded all of your rps.... forgive me if I couldn't throw the rest of my life into turmoil to write the rest of the card.
Don't get me wrong... I expect people to be upset that a card hasn't been posted. Or an update hasn't been posted. But I don't see a single message in my inbox asking me about where the show is. Glen hit me up on facebook and I told him everything I knew at the time... we discussed a few ideas etc. But no messages from anyone else.
So to the members of the roster who have tried and have been respectable.... Syren, Dan, Canon, Shayde, Crawler... I thank you.
To everyone else who casts judgment.... fuck off. I don't need the added stress to my already stressful life.
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Post by Major Kendu on Jul 7, 2012 22:40:43 GMT -6
i might have complained about the show not being up last Sunday but wheni heard that there was a family issue and job changes i understood it would be a while. REAL life stuff happens get over it or leave. Loyal Dog here to stay.
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Post by Andre Dixon on Jul 8, 2012 0:23:05 GMT -6
You want to hear from the "GM"? Here's your statement... don't you ever.... EVER judge me. There are very few people in this fed who know what I've gone through in the last couple of years and anyone who rushes to tell me what I SHOULD do can kiss my ass. I'm a very busy guy.... single father... career... a chronically ill daughter... and you want me to drop everything for you? This is a HOBBY not a JOB. Glen... you are the LAST person I want a responsibility speech from. With as many times as you've let me down in other places and I've ALWAYS come to you with kindness and 2nd chances... and the fact that you DO know what I've been through. FUCK YOU. I wrote my matches... I graded all of your rps.... forgive me if I couldn't throw the rest of my life into turmoil to write the rest of the card. Don't get me wrong... I expect people to be upset that a card hasn't been posted. Or an update hasn't been posted. But I don't see a single message in my inbox asking me about where the show is. Glen hit me up on facebook and I told him everything I knew at the time... we discussed a few ideas etc. But no messages from anyone else. So to the members of the roster who have tried and have been respectable.... Syren, Dan, Canon, Shayde, Crawler... I thank you. To everyone else who casts judgment.... fuck off. I don't need the added stress to my already stressful life. Just to be clear. Am I one of the ones you're telling to fuck off?
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Post by The Great One on Jul 8, 2012 0:49:03 GMT -6
The people who he told to "fuck off" have been dealt with. I understand everyone has their criticisms and that there are some things that you feel that we could have done differently. But as myself and my counterpart have already explained, this is the way things were done and there's nothing that can be done about them now.
I do in fact think that people jumped the gun in some ways as did I (when I stated an incorrect date for posting the show.) I believe we have all let out the frustrations the best way that we know how. As a staff we have done what we can to keep everyone up to speed as much as we felt was necessary and I agree with Derek that we don't need to post up to the minute updates about our lives.
Once again I appreciate everyone who has stood by the SCW and we will continue to work as hard as we can to deliver quality work.
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Post by Major Kendu on Jul 8, 2012 1:54:45 GMT -6
To TGO: i hope everything has turned out for the better for you and your family man. And i can at least speak for myself when saying I'll be around as long as you guys like my charater. it's not your fault that you said the show would be posted on the wrong date. you had a trying week and shit can be overlooked. this is one of the overlooked areas. don't worry about it.
To Derek: We've talked already and I know whats what.
To Other Co-Owner: Real life got in the way nothing you can do about it. yeah it sucked that it happened to the entire staff at once but this will happen. Get over it.
I agree with you guys on not having to post updates of personal life. it's personal for a reason. None of our damn buisness. So SCW missed a week more terrible things could happen in a GAME.
As for the rest of the list of wrestlers that stay lets make this fun and forget about this week and move past it and have fun.
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Post by GM Jeffrey James on Jul 8, 2012 5:00:41 GMT -6
Thank you Trev.
Dixon, no you were not.
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Post by Andre Dixon on Jul 8, 2012 14:06:55 GMT -6
Just making sure
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