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Post by Eliminator (Progeny of War) on Jun 14, 2012 0:55:55 GMT -6
I've heard of sandbaggers and recyclers, but didn't know there was a name for responders. I've done it to some extent, but I've never done it to the extent that it was purely the focus of the roleplay.
I do think Legacy and Dixon's concerns about writing short stories are founded. I've been in feds where it's been the predominant style. I've been in feds where trash talking was the dominant style. I can only trash talk for so long, and I write stories for my characters that don't necessarily relate to wrestling in order to make them more human and give a reason for other people (and the RP grader) to get invested in them.
My own interpretation is that all roleplays are broadcasted somehow, most likely through the fed's website or Youtube channel, and they are vignettes designed to enhance characters. Some people have problems with fantastical elements such as vampires introduced into the roleplays, but I can suspend my disbelief since they're "characters" (even if the writer's intention is for it to be real). I can't stretch it as far when extreme crimes like murder, rape, etc get introduced. Why would a wrestler choose to air something like that? Why would the fed sanction it? Even if it was a storyline, I feel murder and rape have no place in wrestling, and the Brian Pillman gun angle exhibits how absurd it can be when guns are introduced into a wrestling storyline.
Of course, this is my opinion and not taken to be the gospel or anything, especially when it's said by someone who talks about roleplays but can barely write one (damn distractions!)
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Post by Andre Dixon on Jun 14, 2012 1:35:58 GMT -6
I've heard of sandbaggers and recyclers, but didn't know there was a name for responders. I've done it to some extent, but I've never done it to the extent that it was purely the focus of the roleplay. I do think Legacy and Dixon's concerns about writing short stories are founded. I've been in feds where it's been the predominant style. I've been in feds where trash talking was the dominant style. I can only trash talk for so long, and I write stories for my characters that don't necessarily relate to wrestling in order to make them more human and give a reason for other people (and the RP grader) to get invested in them. My own interpretation is that all roleplays are broadcasted somehow, most likely through the fed's website or Youtube channel, and they are vignettes designed to enhance characters. Some people have problems with fantastical elements such as vampires introduced into the roleplays, but I can suspend my disbelief since they're "characters" (even if the writer's intention is for it to be real). I can't stretch it as far when extreme crimes like murder, rape, etc get introduced. Why would a wrestler choose to air something like that? Why would the fed sanction it? Even if it was a storyline, I feel murder and rape have no place in wrestling, and the Brian Pillman gun angle exhibits how absurd it can be when guns are introduced into a wrestling storyline. Of course, this is my opinion and not taken to be the gospel or anything, especially when it's said by someone who talks about roleplays but can barely write one (damn distractions!) I agree with basically everything you say. I also would like to say I see no problem with stories that have nothing to do with wrestling but the overall rp should be able wrestling. Whether your character is talking about it or getting ready for it in the story or with some sort of trash talk. The stories are meant, for me at least, to build the character and get people to know the character. Sometimes my rps are like a reality show where it's basically just the camera following me around while im doing some random shit or some stuff related to my match or angle or what not. I also am not big on the whole fake thing. Even if your character does things like that why would anyone want to broadcast themselves committing a crime? But it really comes down to how the judges see it. I've definitely written some rps where I'm doing some illegal stuff that nobody would ever want broadcasted(such as killing and robbing and such). I think if you're thinking back or talking about it that it's a little different though but I try to keep my stuff as real as possible. The way I look at it we're a big time fed such as WWE not some small fed.
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Post by Eliminator (Progeny of War) on Jun 14, 2012 1:49:25 GMT -6
Well, WWE had a tag team whose gimmick was that they were criminals, although it was played for laughs, and not seriously, so it can make sense. And sometimes things are presented in wrestling that would be criminally prosecutable if it happened in real life, like assault, theft, and property destruction, among other things. It depends on how it's presented, and how serious it is.
The reality show thing is also a good interpretation, and kind of how I used to view things. One of the things about e-wrestling that make it distinct from actual wrestling is that there is no line between work and shoot. Our characters get mothballed when they're not being used on a show or in a roleplay. There is no backstage drama that our characters create. You would never see anything OOC be presented on a e-wrestling show or roleplay as IC. Whoever wins is also a shoot, there is no "work" in e-wrestling, so how characters are presented on-screen and "backstage" are congruent with each other. (The TL;DR version: It's usually all real, I've never seen anyone's character admit that they are actually, just a character, although some people do seem to shift into different gears for a show and a roleplay in a non-public setting.)
I think most people tend to play as though they're in a WWE-style fed, unless otherwise specifically noted, I think it's just more fun that way!
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Post by Night Crawler on Jun 14, 2012 5:20:19 GMT -6
lol, remember when I used to kill another person in every RP Eliminator? Good thing I've changed on that As far as realism I'm mostly for it (lately I had a preacher character who dug up the corpses of his family, crucified them, and set them aflame. The police showed up to try and stop him, but a lawyer was present claiming the process was part of their beliefs and the police couldn't interfere), but suspension of disbelief comes with the territory as well. Or should we address how these people are able to comitt assault and battery on each other on a weekly basis without dealing with the consequences? Or in some cases, attempted murder? Not to mention the occasional kidnappings, theft, property damage, etc...
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Post by Eliminator (Progeny of War) on Jun 14, 2012 12:42:44 GMT -6
Nope, I don't remember that, Night Crawler! I don't think I really read many RPs back in the old days, so I don't remember details about them. Andy Murray, El Linchador, Jin Royale, and Jason Stone are four of my all-time favorites. If any of their material still exists online, I recommend everyone read them.
I did address that above. Wrestling is just weird like that. Don't really have that much to add on the subject.
By the way, I'm glad everyone isn't trying to write a couple novels a week. It gets boring to read after a while, and a drain to write. I say leave 'em wanting more.
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Post by The Great One on Jun 14, 2012 15:30:30 GMT -6
Shylo, why am I not on that list?!
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Post by Eliminator (Progeny of War) on Jun 14, 2012 17:12:25 GMT -6
Because I was so noob when we were in OCW at the same time I couldn't recognize your greatness.
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Post by The Great One on Jun 14, 2012 18:18:17 GMT -6
The sad thing is you recognized everyone that I trained and helped create before my own....
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Post by Eliminator (Progeny of War) on Jun 15, 2012 1:23:02 GMT -6
Well, if that's the case, doesn't it mean I'm giving you props, too? If that's your imprint on fedding, then it's a damned good one. We've only been in the same fed as wrestlers (that I can remember) for about a month or two in late 2002, and that was ten years ago. I barely remember anyone's roleplays from that era.
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Post by Night Crawler on Jun 15, 2012 10:06:50 GMT -6
Well heck, now that I totally randomly find myself thinking about it, there are a few types of RPers that nobody mentioned that I could bring up. The first kind I can't really think of a label for, besides 'Assholes', but people who drag OOC issues into their roleplays. I knew a couple of guys who would randomly insult people on the OOC forum to start up a flame war, and then use the flame war as the basis for their roleplays. I always like to keep a clear definition between what is in-character, and what isn't. That way we can all insult each other in our roleplays, but still get along OOC. Wall-builders: These are people who post mostly (or entirely) trash talk rants that don't answer trash talk from others. Basically, they act like the only roleplays being posted are their own, and totally ignore their opponents. This I find more frustrating than really bad, because one of my favorite parts of roleplaying is exchanging trash talk. When someone just ignores me, I can't help but feel like I'm wasting time. Some of them are worse then others though, and rather then RPing against anyone in the match, will write all of their roleplays against a higher ranking wrestler. You know, the kind of person who joins a fed and then RPs for every single match by trash talking the World Champ, just to piss him off enough to get a title shot. That seems awefully cheap to me. Though in the end it rarely pays off for them, so it isn't so much a problem as much as it's just really annoying. The other kind doesn't have so much to do with roleplaying but often comes with pretty much every other problem. I don't care much for people who play just to win. We all come to care about the characters we make, of course. And we want to see them succeed. But I've met a few people in my day who refuse to read any roleplays that belong to someone other then themselves, doesn't care what anyone else thinks of their work, and thinks they should always win no matter what. As if winning a fake wrestling match to get a fake wrestling belt somehow meant something. This is supposed to be a game that we all play for fun, but I don't see the fun if all it is to a person is a record. And it wouldn't bother me at all if they didn't feel the need to insult other people who are actually interested in improving their work. Like the fact that someone else wants to improve themself is somehow offensive to them. Again not really a roleplaying problem, but it tends to be the source of other problems (Sand-baggers, recyclers, Assholes), and it bugs the hell out of me personally
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Post by Alexis Prodigy on Jun 15, 2012 10:24:00 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't usually read my opponent's RP ...usually because I'm first to post and secondly, it is to completely avoid a response RP. I like my RPs to come from an original place and I base my trash talk off what the character has done before the match. I don't like "back and forth" trash talk ... I like the the "fact and speculation" form. I feel there is too much of a need for a defense of ones character with back and forth trash talk. And it usually resorts in "Nuh-uh" "Yeah-huh" back and forth that goes nowhere with nothing getting resolved because the truth is that the best man (and RPer) will be decided in the match.
ALSO, if I lose, there is nothing to complain about if I didn't read the opponent's RP. He/she won fair and square and there is nothing to prove otherwise. A few days go by, THEN I read the RPs and find out what the opponent was doing that got him the win and what I did or held back on that might have cost me the match.
It isn't meant as disrespect to my opponent just a way to keep my own character fresh without any other influence. I'm more of a character development guy than an all out trash talker anyways.
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Post by Night Crawler on Jun 15, 2012 10:44:16 GMT -6
Oh, lots of people don't read RPs. I wouldn't hold that against anybody. A lot of people simply don't have the time or the attention span and there's really nothing wrong with that.
But I don't like people who don't read them, and get offended that other people do. As though no one should be able to, or care to read another person's roleplay.
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Post by Alexis Prodigy on Jun 15, 2012 10:57:52 GMT -6
Yeah, the same goes for results. People who don't know what is going on in the fed and then get offended when people suggest that he actually read the results like it is an insane request to read more than just your match. I believe it is important to read the results AND as many RPs as you can (as said, I read RPs, just hold off on my opponents until later) just so you have more to address in your RPs and BECAUSE RPs are written to to read and entertain just as much as they are to compete.
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Post by Eliminator (Progeny of War) on Jun 17, 2012 1:19:45 GMT -6
I am guilty of skipping to my match when first reading the results, but I do try to go back over it after that. I'm impatient!
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